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End · Sep 22, 2010, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

It's in Water Magic. I think that alone makes it bad in PvE.

Maybe you should try it :P

Xenomortis · Sep 22, 2010, 11:33 AM // 11:33

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Originally Posted by End

Maybe you should try it :P

I probably have at some point.
But since the AL boost means I need to stay in the same "in the area" location and that I've now specced a hero heavily into Water Magic (where Maelstrom and Blurred Vision are the only nearly useful things I get) I won't bother again.

End · Sep 22, 2010, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I probably have at some point.
But since the AL boost means I need to stay in the same "in the area" location and that I've now specced a hero heavily into Water Magic (where Maelstrom and Blurred Vision are the only nearly useful things I get) I won't bother again.

Indeed if it were a hero it would suck but being a primary ele. Maybe look harder to find some use-fullness?

Karate Jesus · Sep 22, 2010, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

Look at it another way: Halloween is for everyone, a dervish is one profession out of many that needs fixes. Demanding top priority, when it would mean pushing back event updates until next year, is completely selfish. Maybe they didn't expect it to take so long to get the dervish update to their liking? Should that mean other items get bumped? Be serious.

Oh, wait, are we not allowed to have two professions anymore? Can I not go /D to benefit from changes? Are my dervish heroes not allowed to benefit from updates?

I was unaware. I apologize.

Derp.

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Originally Posted by End

Indeed if it were a hero it would suck but being a primary ele. Maybe look harder to find some use-fullness?

Ok, let's remember the purpose of this thread and finish this here.

ER Eles are good, including on a hero if you know the AI well enough to give them the correct skills.
Water Eles don't really do enough damage in NM, and don't do enough support in HM. In other words, water eles aren't very good in PvE. If you run one, then props to you. Sometimes I run still run a pet with my warrior. That doesn't make it good.
Dervishes were promised an update months ago and still haven't received it. Postponing that update for a week long activity is ridiculous. I understand the need to pander to the lowest common denominator of players, but the game is drowning and you're throwing us a cheerio instead of a lifesaver. Let's get real.

Now, back on topic

fr.aodhan · Sep 22, 2010, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by End

Indeed if it were a hero it would suck but being a primary ele. Maybe look harder to find some use-fullness?

One thought is that it could be a utility character like the pet in Torchlight. It could automatically collect gold and items, run to the town to sell when you're full, come back with lockpicks or id/salvage kits, etc. Could be Togo's Ghost of Usefulness.

reaper with no name · Sep 22, 2010, 03:11 PM // 15:11

As a dervish player who's been campaigning for the class to get some buffs for over a year, I feel that I am uniquely qualified to comment on the issue of dervish buff vs CB.

And both sides have a point.

CB is currently a seasonal event, while the dervish is a class that has been useless in PvE and one skill nerf away from the same fate in PvP for a long, long time. Even if CB were made a year-round event (we can dream, can't we?), buffing the dervish (if it works) would have a larger effect on the game than anything the Live Team could do to CB.

But then again, there's no pressing deadline for the dervish buff. No matter how late it is, it is still something that can be pushed back. Any CB changes the Live Team wants to make do have a deadline: this year's CB.

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

Hero's don't run ER prot correctly without a lot of micro.. so that's out.

Generally my Vekk is Fire, Souskay (sp) is Earth, and Zhed is Water (Ward Against Harm is nice in HM), it would just be nice to have the 4th hero so I can run an Air ele, without having to re-rune and re-equip one of the others.

Whilst to an extent that is true, I do like to set all my toon's heroes the same way. It makes it much easier when it comes to hero selection. For example, Dunk is always my healer, Tahlkora is my Prot, Oggie is smite.. Koss = Sword, Jora = Axe, Goren = Hammer, and so on, and so forth.

Most of the professions have enough heros to cover the basic build ideas (except Necros where Discord and Sabway sorta means you can't rune one Death, one Blood and one Curses and hope to cover everything), except Ele's, Mesmers, Sins, Para's and Rits.

I do this as well. Most of my heroes have one build which I rarely change unless I'm updating them to a new permanent build. I don't think that it's a good enough argument for giving us a 4th elementalist hero, though, especially when a 3th mesmer or ritualist hero would please a lot more people.

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

So wrong.. ER prot is a very very good hero build lol, I've runed sousuke to run both ER Prot and ER Orders so thats at least 2 in .

ER prot works well enough on heroes in my experience. They just suck at using Infuse Health (hence "ER prot" rather than "ER healer").

Astral_Nomad · Sep 22, 2010, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by instanceskiller

With regards to the new hero. Meh. We are limited to only 3 heroes so the introduction of this hero won't make too much of a difference since we already have multiples of every class.

It was something that we would probably not expect.. For all you know it could be a bit of a teaser with a new race.. like maybe a Silvari hero or something.. Im interested myself.

Astral_Nomad · Sep 22, 2010, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Painbringer

A quote from the everlasting wisdom of Wayne from Wayne’s World “ZING” /hip thrust

it wasnt ZING.. lol.. it was SCHWING! get it right! lol...

Xiaquin · Sep 22, 2010, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by End

Theres always the possibility that god forbid dervish become viable heros in a way that would benefit everyone? Or that they may become usfull. And tbh CB only appeals to some people.

I think you misunderstood. Halloween has a deadline, a profession does not.

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Originally Posted by fr.aodhan

I think that's pretty clear, but it's also true that Halloween is entirely predictable, meaning that it could have been done at any time after the last Costume Battle.

They may have planned to have time to get CB done, but the dervish update has been more difficult than anticipated. With the event coming up fast, they should do their best to make a community event the best it can be instead of stay bogged down with something. Halloween is something we can all enjoy and celebrate, and forget about our problems.

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Originally Posted by fr.aodhan

To players who are devoted to the Dervish and are anticipating the update, the difference is subtle but meaningful.

Should updates to the CB be bumped for the Dervish update? Yes, I would like that. I understand others will vote differently, but as one player of the game, this is what I'd prefer. I'm more attached to my main than a seasonal event. I don't see why this opinion is necessarily invalid.

Yes, to those players it is meaningful, but what about the rest of us who won't really be affected by the update? I also didn't say any opinion was invalid, but if you simply value what you only stand to benefit from, well..

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Oh, wait, are we not allowed to have two professions anymore? Can I not go /D to benefit from changes? Are my dervish heroes not allowed to benefit from updates?

I was unaware. I apologize.

Um, dervish is one profession, I didn't say applications. Also, I thought the problem was with mains, not secondaries? Heroes will see a boost, but I feel melee AI is poor anyway.

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

[*]Dervishes were promised an update months ago and still haven't received it. Postponing that update for a week long activity is ridiculous. I understand the need to pander to the lowest common denominator of players, but the game is drowning and you're throwing us a cheerio instead of a lifesaver. Let's get real.

Let's let a little bit of happiness come on Halloween, we're not supposed to see Grentches for a few months yet.

Astral_Nomad · Sep 22, 2010, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by kupp

I'm consufed...

So he's saying that after the Gwen/Keiran content, they'll review the idea of adding 7 heroes party to the game, not that they'll actually do it then. Right? Seems clear but could someone confirm this?

Nothing would get me playing GW again like having a 7 heroes party, everyone I know has quit by now and I'm standing in a glorious one-man guild since I rarely log in anymore, but beeing able to do the whole game solo gets me pumped up. So many possibilities for hero builds, though the thought that any kind of PvE difficulty would be destroyed by it kinda makes me sad too.

i agree we need a 7Hero party ability.. with as many people that have left the game and pvp being for all intents and purposes "dead", its difficult to even get some master quests done because everyone who cares about getting them done already did and they just wanna do maintence runs - not full ones.

it wouldnt have to be a fully standard part of the game available for every mission - but preferably for the quests where player participation is low. for example, slavers exile or mallyx the unyielding. the veterans only want to get to mallyx - they arent interested in doing a full run and that makes it harder for the rest of us who need to do the full run because there are no henchies and you can only take 3 heroes.

jazilla · Sep 22, 2010, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Astral_Nomad

i agree we need a 7Hero party ability.. with as many people that have left the game and pvp being for all intents and purposes "dead", its difficult to even get some master quests done because everyone who cares about getting them done already did and they just wanna do maintence runs - not full ones.

it wouldnt have to be a fully standard part of the game available for every mission - but preferably for the quests where player participation is low. for example, slavers exile or mallyx the unyielding. the veterans only want to get to mallyx - they arent interested in doing a full run and that makes it harder for the rest of us who need to do the full run because there are no henchies and you can only take 3 heroes.

i agree with this, but ONLY because the 7 hero system will be key for people who want to earn all of their HoM stuff for GW2 AFTER GW2 is out. GW1 will be such an afterthought at that point for most people that 7 heroes will actually make it fun to hopon every so often to reminisce.

Astral_Nomad · Sep 22, 2010, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by afmart

hum new heroes mecanics, maybe using our others characters as heroes, i would like that alot

or maybe some kind of formation or configurable beaviour

a new heroe intrigues me, maybe a tengu or something epic. i first tough a sylvari, but they havent apeard yet, i would also like to have mursat XD

i like the idea of the orbital mursat station

well its not out of the scope tho cause they did say AFTER the Gwen/Keirnan content.. so they could feasibly introduce a sylvari and not mess up continuity too bad?

**cosyfiep** · Sep 22, 2010, 04:32 PM // 16:32

how about a ghost hero?? (like Rasti?) or one of the spirits from the underworld or Komir's 'friends'?

(and yes I too make my heroes the same, except I use sosuke as fire, vekk-air and zhed as water so I would like an earth ele hero, but whatever, and no I dont play much HM so the usefulness of stuff therein makes no difference to me).

Would like to see another mesmer hero (which was the other part of my original post on that subject) as we only have 2 of them and 3 would be great fun....just would rather not see another melee since I dont use them unless required.

fr.aodhan · Sep 22, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

Halloween is something we can all enjoy and celebrate, and forget about our problems.

I don't particularly like the seasonal events. I used to participate. I don't anymore. These days, I tend to notice them when the drops are odd. I assume it's a valid stance not to enjoy the Halloween events, especially not so much that I prefer them updated first.

Or must I enjoy it?

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Yes, to those players it is meaningful, but what about the rest of us who won't really be affected by the update?

Wait, your critique is that wanting the Dervish update first is selfish, then you make usefulness "to the rest of us" the measure by which we decide which update comes next? Surely you must see the irony in this. Everybody wants something that they will personally enjoy. You're not above this. Let's please get beyond the psychoanalysis.

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I also didn't say any opinion was invalid, but if you simply value what you only stand to benefit from, well..

If you do not value the Dervish update because you will not be affected by it, well..

Of course, the snark is misplaced. I value what I value. I want what comes next to be what I value. I log into GW to have fun. I do not suspect that the people who prefer the CB update first are any more intrinsically altruistic than I am.

I'm disappointed with the frequency and quality of communication around the Dervish update. I'm disappointed that it's coming after a seasonal event update. I will not, however, believe this means I'm a worse person (in this case a selfish person) than those who are fine with a CB update first. The idea is ridiculous.

Astral_Nomad · Sep 22, 2010, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by jazilla

i agree with this, but ONLY because the 7 hero system will be key for people who want to earn all of their HoM stuff for GW2 AFTER GW2 is out. GW1 will be such an afterthought at that point for most people that 7 heroes will actually make it fun to hopon every so often to reminisce.

yeah.. that was the only real point i was trying to make... we are starting to require the extra heroes because the quantity of human players is dropping more and more every day. I want to get a torment weapon but i cant because i cant get enough access to human players to do the run that actually care about doing it.

Karate Jesus · Sep 22, 2010, 05:08 PM // 17:08

I think someone else has already said this in this thread, but I'm going to agree/repeat them w/o quoting them anyway.

I just don't see the point in a 27th hero unless they allow us to use 7 heroes. It's kind of like when we got M.O.X. It was nice, but....what was the point, really?

NerfHerder · Sep 22, 2010, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Actually, Dervishes will not be the only ones effected by the Dervish update. As Stumme pointed out, they are working on other classes out performing Dervishs with a Scythe. If you havent tried this build yet, its rediculously OP. Even Warriors can use the Scythe as well, if not better. Matter of fact, any profession with Asuran Scan, AoHM, Eremities Attack, and Mystic Sweep are, for the most part, just as good with a Scythe as the Dervish. Not to mention who knows what updated skills will find a popular use as a secondary skill.

So no, I dont think its selfish to want this update sooner than later. I'm not supporting the decision to put Halloween in front of the Derv update, but in all fairness Stumme did say he is a big fan of Halloween, so I'm not shocked this was made a priority.

We should also give Stumme a chance to prove to himself as he just recently took charge of GW1/GW:B. Blaming him now would be like blaming a president that has been in office a year and a half, because he hasnt fixed the 8 years of damage yet.

ilr · Sep 22, 2010, 07:09 PM // 19:09

w3rd.... I am so ****ing sick of Sins leaving me in the dust on crit damage while also getting superior blocking+unblockable in PvP & snoway speedclear bullshit in PvE. And all the Devs needed to do was fix VoS... they never needed to bother with all this "new mechanics" crap. The update coulda been done in the time it took them to write that interview.

Ka Tet · Sep 22, 2010, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Warrior's Endurance W/D laughs at any other class using a scythe in pve.

Xenomortis · Sep 22, 2010, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Ka Tet

Warrior's Endurance W/D laughs at any other class using a scythe in pve.

And yet people got very upset when I said that the first step towards a derv update should be that WE and the other ridiculous energy engines should be nerfed.